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Old 10-17-2007, 05:27 AM
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Odds for Irish Tengo Bingo

Hi everyone,

There is a game called "Tengo Bingo" which you can participate in at Ladbrookes bookies in the UK.
There are 6 numbers drawn from a pool of 45.
You have to pick 15 numbers from that pool of 45.
You have a grid of 5 boxes horizontally by 3 boxes vertically where you input your 15 numbers selected.
The 15 numbers can go in ANY box and in any order.

There are 10 wins available :-
Match ALL 5 in ANY row (3 wins available).
Match ALL 4 corners (1 win available).
Match ALL 3 in ANY column (5 wins available).
Match ANY 5 anywhere (1 win available).

Can someone tell me the odds for all the above please.

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best.
PAB
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Old 10-17-2007, 02:03 PM
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In fact this is a interesting lotto.
you are telling me that there are 45 numbers in the pool or field as i call it
and that there are 6 balls drawn.
also that you bet 3 lines .
then the template whould look this

1,2,3,4,5
6,7,8,9,10
11,12,13,14,15

if that is the case then

1,2,3,4,5
6,7,8,9,10
11,12,13,14,15, are 5 number line winners
also
1,5,11,15 is a 4 corner winner
also
1,6,11
2,7,12
3,8,13
4,9,14
5,10,15 are column winners
also
if nothing else then any 5 numbers is winner


if all this is true then i will calculate all the odds for various winner and get back to you
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Old 10-17-2007, 05:22 PM
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just got back
ran some quick stuff


if 6 of 45 then total possible = 8,145,060



the chances of hitting 5 of 6 number drawn on 1 line = 234

so if you bet 3 lines then the chances = 3 x 234 = 702

then the odds to catch 5 = 8145060/702 = 1 in 11,602
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Old 10-17-2007, 07:42 PM
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Hi everyone,

There is a game called "Tengo Bingo" which you can participate in at Ladbrookes bookies in the UK.
There are 6 numbers drawn from a pool of 45.
You have to pick 15 numbers from that pool of 45.
You have a grid of 5 boxes horizontally by 3 boxes vertically where you input your 15 numbers selected.
The 15 numbers can go in ANY box and in any order.

There are 10 wins available :-
Match ALL 5 in ANY row (3 wins available).
Match ALL 4 corners (1 win available).
Match ALL 3 in ANY column (5 wins available).
Match ANY 5 anywhere (1 win available).

Can someone tell me the odds for all the above please.

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best.
PAB
On my list of future projects. Time is a problem.

To start, with 15 numbers out of 45 going anywhere on a 15-place grid, there are 450,974,292,794,344,230,912,000 different cards that can be created by the player.

Does the game allow multiple wins? You can have two column wins. You can also win two columns and the four corners on the same ticket. If you match five in one row, you've also fulfilled the winning position of five anywhere. Anything extra (except matching five six times) for matching all six?
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Old 10-17-2007, 08:51 PM
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There are 6 numbers drawn from a pool of 45.

How the numbers are drawn? Using a ball machine or not?
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Old 10-17-2007, 11:35 PM
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just got back
ran some quick stuff


if 6 of 45 then total possible = 8,145,060



the chances of hitting 5 of 6 number drawn on 1 line = 234

so if you bet 3 lines then the chances = 3 x 234 = 702

then the odds to catch 5 = 8145060/702 = 1 in 11,602


i am sorry but i used the wrong template above the correct odds are

the chances of hitting 5 of 5 with a 6 number draw = 40
3 lines = 40 x 3 = 120
8,145,060/120 = 67,875.5
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:41 AM
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Hi t.lawler,

Thanks for the reply, you are exactly correct with the following :-

Quote:
Originally Posted by t.lawler
In fact this is a interesting lotto.
you are telling me that there are 45 numbers in the pool or field as i call it and that there are 6 balls drawn. Also that you bet 3 lines, then the template whould look this :-

1,2,3,4,5
6,7,8,9,10
11,12,13,14,15

if that is the case then

1,2,3,4,5
6,7,8,9,10
11,12,13,14,15, are 5 number line winners
also
1,5,11,15 is a 4 corner winner
also
1,6,11
2,7,12
3,8,13
4,9,14
5,10,15 are column winners
also
if nothing else then any 5 numbers is winner

if all this is true then i will calculate all the odds for various winner and get back to you
The 6 balls are drawn from a machine without replacement.

johnph77,
I will check today to see if multiple wins are accepted, I think they probably are.

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best.
PAB
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:25 PM
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hi PAB

most of this stuff boils down to simple factorials

to find the total possible combinations in a pool of 45 if 6 balls are drawn then
45/6 x 44/5 x 43/4 x 42/2 x 41/1= 8,145,060 posible draws

to find the chances to catch a given set of 5 numbers when 6 numbers are drawn then: 1 x 40/1 = 40 since we are bettig 3 sets then 3x40 = 120

corner; the corner is a 4 number set
1 x 41/2 x 40/1 = 820 1 set times 820 = 820

columns; column is a 3 number set
1 x 42/3 x 41/2 x 40/1 = 11480 x 5 sets = 57400


as far as the 5 overall matches i had to use an old turbo pascal i wrote years
ago. here is what i came up with

6 numbers over all = 5005
5 numbers over all = 90090

i only vetted this program for the first 355 draws and it is accurate so far


SO!


the odds are

for a 5 in line winner = 8145060/120 = 1:67875.5
for the corners = 8145060/820 = 1:9933
for a column match = 8145060/57400 = 1:141.9
over all 6 number match = 8145060/5005 = 1:1627.38
over all 5 number match = 8145060/90090 = 1:90.41

if no winner is excluded by a higher winner then the odds of
any winner = about 1:53
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Old 10-19-2007, 03:47 AM
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Thanks very much for the reply and information t.lawler.
I will check them with what I came up with later today.

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best.
PAB
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Thanks very much for the reply and information t.lawler.
I will check them with what I came up with later today.

Thanks in Advance.
All the Best.
PAB



hi PAB
i would like to know the cost of one bet and the pay table for this lotto.

tcl
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Old 10-20-2007, 03:19 AM
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Hi tcl,

The Irish Lotto is drawn on a Wednesday & Saturday night. There are 3 seperate draws for both Wednesday & Saturday nights, which consist of 6 numbers and a bonus ball being drawn from a machine without replacement.
It is a FIXED 2 bet.
To win you must have one of the following :-
Match ALL 5 in a row to win 10,000
Match ALL 4 corners to win 900
Match ALL 3 in ANY column to win 120
Match ANY 5 anywhere to win 20

Hope this Helps.
All the Best.
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Old 10-20-2007, 05:38 PM
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Hi tcl,

The Irish Lotto is drawn on a Wednesday & Saturday night. There are 3 seperate draws for both Wednesday & Saturday nights, which consist of 6 numbers and a bonus ball being drawn from a machine without replacement.
It is a FIXED 2 bet.
To win you must have one of the following :-
Match ALL 5 in a row to win 10,000
Match ALL 4 corners to win 900
Match ALL 3 in ANY column to win 120
Match ANY 5 anywhere to win 20

Hope this Helps.
All the Best.
PAB
hi PAB

irish lotto or tengo bingo
I truly hate to seem dense but i am rather confused.

do they draw 6 numbers then return the balls back to the machine?
then draw 6 more numbers then again return the balls back to the machine?
then again draw 6 more numbers and return the balls back to the machine?
when is the bonus ball drawn and how is it used?
are the winning draws sorted ascending?
are your bets sorted ascending?
on your play slip can you use a given number more than once?
do you have to match their first drawing to your play slip first line?
second to second?
third to third?

Please disregard all my previous posts about the odds of this game. I simply did not understand the this game.


best regards tcl
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:43 PM
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tengo bingo

has any one else looked at this game? The only reason I ask is because I am curious about this type of lotto game.
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Old 11-05-2007, 07:02 PM
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On my list of future projects. Time is a problem.

To start, with 15 numbers out of 45 going anywhere on a 15-place grid, there are 450,974,292,794,344,230,912,000 different cards that can be created by the player.

Does the game allow multiple wins? You can have two column wins. You can also win two columns and the four corners on the same ticket. If you match five in one row, you've also fulfilled the winning position of five anywhere. Anything extra (except matching five six times) for matching all six?


WOW,just curious if you can SPELL that number and if there is even a name for the first 3 digits maybe 450 megazillions???lol
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Old 11-06-2007, 08:39 AM
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WOW,just curious if you can SPELL that number and if there is even a name for the first 3 digits maybe 450 megazillions???lol
Yes.

xxx - hundreds
xxx,000 - thousands
xxx,000,000 - millions
xxx,000,000,000, - billions
xxx,000,000,000,000 - trillions
xxx,000,000,000,000 - quadrillions
xxx,000,000,000,000,000 - quintillions
xxx,000,000,000,000,000,000 - sextillions
xxx,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 - septillions - our example.

Beyond that there are octillions and nontillions - I'd have to do some research to find the names for anything larger.

The number 8 followed by 67 zeroes is the estimated number of atoms of matter in the Milky Way galaxy - coincidentally, this is also close to the number of different ways a standard 52-card deck of cards can be arranged.

The number 1 folllowed by 100 zeroes is known as a googol.

Getting back to the game, there are 1,307,674,368,000 different ways to arrange the same 15 numbers on a given betting slip.

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