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Old 09-30-2010, 08:17 PM
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Proof that Lottery is Rigged?

There's a big stink right now concerning OLG and a Lottery retailer family that claimed a $12.5M prize. The $12.5M ticket is actually a 'freeplay' ticket that some poor person didn't want and obviously did not hold on to. I personally have pulled out many freeplay tickets from trashbins myself so who knows what really happened.

The family is now charged with fraud and the Lottery Corps are looking for the rightful owner. My question is how in hell do they know who this '"rightful" owner is? The OPP and OLG say they know exactly who this person is by using some software program called DART (data analysis and retrieval technology) that processes bilions of transactions per second which totally sound bul**** to me. No such software program exist. That program has a better shot predicting the next Lotto 649 numbers than to know who the original winner is. Yet, they gave very specific details about this person.

So my question is have they, the Lottery Corps just inadvertently admitted that the Lottery is RIGGED and that the winners are chosen beforehand? I'd like to hear what everyone thinks about this.


More details here but facts about DART and how they came up with the victim's profile is disappearing from these pages for some reason.


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/09/29/lottery-theft029.html

http://www.canada.com/news/Ontario+lottery+commission+makes+changes+after+mil lion+debacle/3596277/story.html

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/09/29/15516731.html

PS: I'd to add, why would somebody steal a freeplay ticket which most likely wouldn't even win a single dollar anyways? How would they know it would win $12.5M? Seems like this family are SCAPEGOATS for a corrupt Corporation to me!
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Old 10-01-2010, 02:27 AM
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I don't have a doubt that they have analysts tracking spending patterns, etc. I think it all depends on whether that winning ticket was a QP or personal pick. If it's a personal pick that combo of numbers had shown up before perhaps, and has a history they can track. I'm sure OLG or whomever has to protect the integrity of this game.
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Old 10-01-2010, 03:29 AM
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Programs to track spending patterns of groups; yes. Magical program to single out exact individuals as to who bought what, when, and where; absolutely not!
What if they paid $12.5M to someone that matched their profile exactly but turned out wasn't the rightful winner later on? How can they be absolutely sure unless they have that person's profile already and knew who he was even before the draw.They are attempting to pull one over the public with nonsense mumbo jumbo spaceship program that don't exist. I hope the public see through it as we are the only ones who can stop them. They, the Lottery Corps have a monopoly with no oversight, no superior governing body that can punish them for wrong doing, except us; the public.

By the way, the winning ticket was a quickpick as all "Super7 freeplay" are quickpicks. Quickpicks or Not, are irrelevant. Today I could buy the line 1-2-3-4-5-6, tomorrow it could be you. Next day, it could be anybody. Just because I bought it doesn't meant someone else can't so you can't really track numbers. To truely understand the scope of all this, you need to know all the details about this debacle however minute. I urge everyone whose interested to comb through the articles and use common sense instead of believing everything they read. We are not that naive, are we?

PS: Forgive me as I'm not trying to be anal or antagonistic. I'm just very passionate when it comes to discerning the truth and factual. For the sake others also, not just for me.
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Old 10-03-2010, 11:10 AM
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will ref you guys to my earlier post

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Old 10-05-2010, 12:02 PM
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A closed circuit camera recording the transaction would show who received the winning the ticket. If the person who redeemed it didn't match, that might raise some concern.

Not to say there aren't some shady small time operators, store clerks, or other characters who wouldn't take advantage if the opportunity arose, but I don't see any evidence of a lottery being rigged.

The idea that the lottery tracks every transaction is almost an impossibility.
It would be exhaustive and expensive to say the least.
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:13 PM
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Good point about the surveillance camera images. Not sure how long they have to keep them after the fact, though...
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:04 PM
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Icewynd,

In some of the places I frequent it depends on how many tapes they can afford. In small town Texas, I imagine it is one. LMAO
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Old 10-06-2010, 10:58 AM
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That's the whole point. Unless they have some time stamped video pictures during purchase, how can they conclusively know who the rightful winner is? But that just raise another question. Why would they be doing surveillance on people when they're just buying tickets?

Are they profiling people to choose who they award the big prizes to? It makes sense that they would want to avoid giving the Timothy McVeighs and Ted Bundys a lot of money/power. Imaging how many people they would kill with $12.5 Million dollars. After all, protecting society is their number 1 priority. That and keeping the money from being transferred to foreign soil.
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Old 10-06-2010, 12:26 PM
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I always thought that the surveillence videos were for deterring robbery and shoplifting in the convenience stores, or for IDing anyone who robbed the store. At least, that's the justification.
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Old 10-06-2010, 04:16 PM
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I always thought that the surveillence videos were for deterring robbery and shoplifting in the convenience stores, or for IDing anyone who robbed the store. At least, that's the justification.

Same here Icewynd. Surveillance videos were established prior to the lottery here with the prime purpose to deter crime. And most shops have such a system regardless if they offer lotto or not.

Rigged2lose, it appears, in my thinking anyway, they may not conclusively know who the winner is, but they do know who the winner isn't. It appears if you can't remember the date, time and place you received the ticket and you, or a member of your family, were working at the location it came from, you might come under OGL scrutiny.

It seems just a tad suspicious the young lady who claimed the prize denied having connections to a lottery retailer when it was her family's convenience store (her father and brother) who validated the ticket.
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Old 10-07-2010, 02:31 AM
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I think we're talking about 2 different Surveillance types here. The one you're talking about are the cameras setup by the stores which are personal property and are not easily accessible by the Lotto Corps.

Without changing the subject matter, if they do not know conclusively who the rightful owner is, they cannot pay out any money which is how I think all this will go down. They will say they cannot find the rightful owner and will just keep the money. Knowing who it isn't won't help them.

I once heard that cops and DAs are the best liars so spoken words mean very little. As for the family that's being charged right now, only they can know if they're innocent or not. If they are, I hope they are smart and strong enough to fight for what is right. I do hope they get good lawyers and are able to find a fair trial. A fair trial is critical for the truth but I wonder how fair it will be.
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Old 10-07-2010, 12:34 PM
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Rigged, I always hope justice prevails. And for justice to do so, truth is required. Unfortunately you have already decided that lawyers are liars, so whatever lawyer the family retains will undoubtedly be a liar as well.

The only thing we know we know is that Kathleen Chung denied having any connection to a lottery retailer even though her father and brother validated the ticket that won the free play in the family shop.

How likely is it she would 'forget' the winning ticket was issued in the family shop, and presented to her by her father?

You are right. OGL will probably recover the winning and be done with it. For the police to be involved there is more than we know at this point.

Perhaps there have been complaints against the retailer prior?
Whatever the outcome, it most certainly is an interesting case.
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Old 11-28-2010, 07:34 AM
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The idea that the lottery tracks every transaction is almost an impossibility.
It would be exhaustive and expensive to say the least
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In this case all the company needs to is get the CCTV image with the date and time that matches the date/time of the winning transaction on their computer system. Im sure this information is encoded on the betting slip serial number too.
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Old 12-12-2010, 12:27 PM
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Well there is a great possibility that could track down the owner, but first they need to figure out how original ticket was paid. If the person paid with debit or credit card would be much more easy then if paid with cash. Every ticket having a ticket number which is recorded and every prize that you claim even if is a free play, you will get new ticket number which will be linked to winning ticket.

They can match all transactions over the POS terminal with the time of issuing the ticket and this will narrow down the pool of the people. Bank will release info of the card holders if needed.

This is only one option, if there is a camera in the shop will be even more easy.

I hope they will find the right owner.
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Old 12-13-2010, 05:32 AM
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