Francis Isaac

When you said "number one is the most occurring number but only in column one or draw 1 because it has the most amount of combination in that column. The combination is 1,712,305.", I do not think you are totally right.

A - I get a total of 1,712,304 combinations (not 1,712,305) with the number 1 in first position. Typing error of your part or wrong logic from either you or me, we should see as most likely thornc or PAB wil come up with a value of their own. Small error you will say but may be it was that kind of small error that prevented you from winning the jackpot in the UK lottery.

B - Yes, number 1 is the most occuring number in first position BUT have you looked at number 49 in the sixth position, oddly enough it also occurs 1,712,304 times, so your statement is only half-true. And coincidences being coincidences, all other numbers (from 2 to 48) also occur 1,712,304 times but sadly enough, spread over all six positions.

But I do not think this provides any usefull information as we are not betting on a horse-racing lottery where position is most important contrary to a 6/49 lottery.

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Hi Giles,

You are partly correct in the combination of number 1 in position one. It was a typing error from my part. I also agree that number 49 in position six has exactly the same combination as number one but one statement that I strongly disagree with is that the position of the numbers does not matter. The position of the numbers is absolutely fundamental to their occurrence in the 6/49 lottery. IF you put a particular number in the wrong position, your chances of winning will decrease dramatically and I can provide you with endless data to prove this. You must take great care in which position you put which number. I know that you said that there is nothing new in what I have to say so far but now, that is a very new statement. Position, Position, Position is one of the most important fact when it comes to choosing your lottery numbers in 6/49 lottery.

[quote]Originally posted by Francis Isaac
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Hi Giles,

I have recently downloaded some results from the bclc.com website but because I do not leave in Canada, was wondering if you know the difference between 649 Lottery and BC 49. If anyone can tell me the difference, it will be most appreciated.

Francis Isaac

Both Lotto 6/49 and BC49 are both 6/49 lotteries with 6 winning numbers and a bonus number. Lotto 6/49 is sold across Canada while BC49 is for British Columbia. Many provinces (Quebec, Ontario, etc.) have these regional lotteries, usually costing less but with lower prizes.

With its long history (over 2200 draws), Lotto 6/49 can provide more representative and significant statistics if you want to compare actual and expected values.

[quote]Originally posted by GillesD
[b]Francis Isaac

GilesD,

Thanks for that information. The reason why I wanted to know is because I am thinking of combining both 649 and BC 49 together in order to have more data to study and also to make certain predictions regarding future occurrence of six number combinations. As you will appreciate, no one can claim that they understand how to get higher prices without being able to prove it by making strong predictions which should be proven over time.

I would not combine the two, it is liking making predications based on combining the U.K. and Germany's lottery.
The bulk of the players here play the national 649, with 2214 draws, you should have sufficient data.
If you combine the two, I would say your data would be immaterial, and of little use.

Francis Isaac

I agree completely with peter. If you want a large database, do as I did, generate random combinations of 6 or 7 numbers (if you want a bonus number included). I have a 15,000 combinations database that I use for various purposes.

Also I do not fully understand your emphasis on position when you choose your numbers. Pick your numbers as you want but there is one and only way you can win: your numbers MUST match the numbers on the balls coming out of the machine. And they can come out in any order (for example: 03-08-13-19-34-41 or 41-34-19-13-08-03 or 08-19-41-03-13-34 or any of the other 717 possible permutations). The order they come out is immaterial to the amount you win but the amount you win is directly related to the number of matches between your chosen numbers and those drawn.

Hi Peter,

I take your point. I have separate data for the UK and German lottery and I have also combine the two for my own reason and the reason is that I hope to play both the UK and German lottery once I have the means or shall I say enough members to do so. As far as using the data to predict future Canadian Lottery results, I will not combine the two data but I will focus on the 649 draws for my prediction.

GillesD,

It is important that the data you use for prediction is past data from the machine themselves because each random generation of numbers behaves differently. I want to have the confident of knowing that a particular random system has not produced certain numbers in certain positions and I then make my prediction accordingly. Also what is important is not in which order the balls drop from the machine but when the numbers are then put in order so that we can understand it. Don't forget that the numbers are in order according to their theory anyway, what appears to be random is in which order the combination of six numbers comes out. Let me explain what I mean by positioning by using two combinations of numbers and they are:

D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6
1 2 30
1 2 30

In the top combination without focusing on the rest of the other numbers, the combination 1,2 and 30 in position D3 is much lower than 1,2 and 30 in position D4. 1,2 and 30 in position D3 has 969 combinations and 1,2 and 30 in position D4 has 4617 combinations. My message is that you should play by chance because by understanding chance, you can increase your realistic chance of winning the jackpot.

ok Francis ---
I am all ears---
nice to know someone else is committed to number co incidence/s... Let me tell you this and every one else here-- here in Australia we have a lotto game that plays 6 from 35 numbers -- although the pay outs are some what small-- ie-- rouughly $4000- I have won several times using wheeling systems and Key numbers--- ie-- always choosing one number and 5 wheeled numbers-- to date I am up about $15,000 over 4 years- and thats on top of my original investment-- it takes me about 11 hrs to compile my chosen numbers - fill in the tickets and have them processed. I am happy thus so far that the amount won is justifyable to the time put in. you could say it works out to roughly $150 per hr in profit. So I firmly believe that numbers and lotto and winning is simple and fun.
Lets break new ground-- this includes one and all, and I hope that we will win the big one over an over again.
cheers to all.
anthony - in western australia

[quote]Originally posted by red0412303609
[b]ok Francis ---

Hi red0412303609,

I am very happy for you that you are doing well in the Australian lottery.

I think that using one banker in your wheel is a very good idea but I am not too keen on wheeling system when it comes to 6 out of 49 lottery.

My idea of choosing the numbers is very effective although, it may mean that you will not be in profit for a very long time. The reason for this is because my system is based on targeting the higher prizes like five plus the bonus number or the Jackpot.

I do not want to win the Jackpot every other day, I just want to win it once so that I can quit the rat race.

As soon as I win the Jackpot, I would like to concentrate on the stock Market using the Black Scholes Theory of predicting the price of options and various other theoretical calculations. It is my dream but until then, I will analyse the 6 out 49 lottery for as long as I am alive.

I am still compiling and working on the Canadian 6 out 49 lottery results and I have been up all night analysing it using my lottery program. Once I have finished, I will be able to post certain combinations of numbers predicted to come out in the Canadian 649 lottery. So please keep on logging on to see those prediction.

Francis and Red...

From the various 6/49 Lotteries around the World I have a database of some 17,850 Draws.

I have done a few things with this -

1 Destroyed the 150 Sum myth
2 Destroyed the Evens/Odds myth

and a few others.

The biggest problem dealing with people with exaggerated claims is pinning them down to something to test.

Do you have something that is testable? Don't worry - you adequately descibe it and I'll code it.

Now why do I think I;m going to get the stunned mullet response.

What peeves me off with brag artists is the underlying assumption that they think they're better than people who have published stuff which rebuffs just about everthing they claim but which they never go to the trouble to seek out and read.

What that really means is they are looking for mug buyers.

I suggest that Lotto Forums are not your best scalping territory.

Colin

Here is a question for you. If I give you a Lotto History can you tell whether it is in the order as drawn or the reverse order?

hi there cmf---
can u bring me up to speed on the 150 sum myth
and the odd and even myth.
Ill just add 2 cents here
I know that usually most winning combinations fall into a favorable sum range and as for odds evens-- my visualisation of seeing that some draws favours odds and then some draws favour evens - ie lets say the last 3 draws in a lottery showed 4 evens and 2 odds then it seems to swing the other way with more odds and less evens in a draw coming up-- I guess u could say its like a pendulum motion
maybe its similar to newtons law or murphys law-- what goes up can always go wrong??????
go on - fill me in???
Im all ears

what I have noticed is the bigger the lottery say 6 from 49 the more difficult it is to get a hit of favorable numbers-- I guess it boils down to the old addage of a saying-- ya stretching ya luck!!!!

I have Been Away for 4 days and am Just Catching up on All the Posts.


Spot on as Usual GillesD.
I Setup an Excel Spreadsheet to Calculate the Positional Analysis of EACH Ball in EACH Position for a 649 Lotto.
The First Table is the Total Combinations for EACH of the 6 Numbers in EACH of the 6 Positions.
The Second Table is the Total Percentage for EACH of the 6 Numbers in EACH of the 6 Positions. The Totals Might NOT Agree if you Add them Up Because they are Set to 2 Decimal Places ( so they Fit into this Post ) when Ideally they Need to be Set to 4 Decimal Places.
Both Tables are Setup as Ball Number, Positions 1 to 6 & Totals.
You can Copy & Paste the Information into an Excel Spreadsheet, then on the Menu Bar Select Data, Text to Columns, Delimited & Comma to View the Tables.

Total Combinations for EACH of the 6 Numbers in EACH of the 6 Positions.

Ball Number,1,2,3,4,5,6, Totals
1,1712304,0,0,0,0,0,1712304
2,1533939,178365,0,0,0,0,1712304
3,1370754,326370,15180,0,0,0,1712304
4,1221759,446985,42570,990,0,0,1712304
5,1086008,543004,79464,3784,44,0,1712304
6,962598,617050,123410,9030,215,1,1712304
7,850668,671580,172200,17220,630,6,1712304
8,749398,708890,223860,28700,1435,21,1712304
9,658008,731120,276640,43680,2800,56,1712304
10,575757,740259,329004,62244,4914,126,1712304
11,501942,738150,379620,84360,7980,252,1712304
12,435897,726495,427350,109890,12210,462,1712304
13,376992,706860,471240,138600,17820,792,1712304
14,324632,680680,510510,170170,25025,1287,1712304
15,278256,649264,544544,204204,34034,2002,1712304
16,237336,613800,572880,240240,45045,3003,1712304
17,201376,575360,595200,277760,58240,4368,1712304
18,169911,534905,611320,316200,73780,6188,1712304
19,142506,493290,621180,354960,91800,8568,1712304
20,118755,451269,624834,393414,112404,11628,171230 4
21,98280,409500,622440,430920,135660,15504,1712304
22,80730,368550,614250,466830,161595,20349,1712304
23,65780,328900,600600,500500,190190,26334,1712304
24,53130,290950,581900,531300,221375,33649,1712304
25,42504,255024,558624,558624,255024,42504,1712304
26,33649,221375,531300,581900,290950,53130,1712304
27,26334,190190,500500,600600,328900,65780,1712304
28,20349,161595,466830,614250,368550,80730,1712304
29,15504,135660,430920,622440,409500,98280,1712304
30,11628,112404,393414,624834,451269,118755,171230 4
31,8568,91800,354960,621180,493290,142506,1712304
32,6188,73780,316200,611320,534905,169911,1712304
33,4368,58240,277760,595200,575360,201376,1712304
34,3003,45045,240240,572880,613800,237336,1712304
35,2002,34034,204204,544544,649264,278256,1712304
36,1287,25025,170170,510510,680680,324632,1712304
37,792,17820,138600,471240,706860,376992,1712304
38,462,12210,109890,427350,726495,435897,1712304
39,252,7980,84360,379620,738150,501942,1712304
40,126,4914,62244,329004,740259,575757,1712304
41,56,2800,43680,276640,731120,658008,1712304
42,21,1435,28700,223860,708890,749398,1712304
43,6,630,17220,172200,671580,850668,1712304
44,1,215,9030,123410,617050,962598,1712304
45,0,44,3784,79464,543004,1086008,1712304
46,0,0,990,42570,446985,1221759,1712304
47,0,0,0,15180,326370,1370754,1712304
48,0,0,0,0,178365,1533939,1712304
49,0,0,0,0,0,1712304,1712304
Totals,13983816,13983816,13983816,13983816,1398381 6,13983816,N/A

Total Percentage for EACH of the 6 Numbers in EACH of the 6 Positions.

Ball Number,1,2,3,4,5,6, Totals
1,12.24,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.24
2,10.97,1.28,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.24
3,9.80,2.33,0.11,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.24
4,8.74,3.20,0.30,0.01,0.00,0.00,12.24
5,7.77,3.88,0.57,0.03,0.00,0.00,12.24
6,6.88,4.41,0.88,0.06,0.00,0.00,12.24
7,6.08,4.80,1.23,0.12,0.00,0.00,12.24
8,5.36,5.07,1.60,0.21,0.01,0.00,12.24
9,4.71,5.23,1.98,0.31,0.02,0.00,12.24
10,4.12,5.29,2.35,0.45,0.04,0.00,12.24
11,3.59,5.28,2.71,0.60,0.06,0.00,12.24
12,3.12,5.20,3.06,0.79,0.09,0.00,12.24
13,2.70,5.05,3.37,0.99,0.13,0.01,12.24
14,2.32,4.87,3.65,1.22,0.18,0.01,12.24
15,1.99,4.64,3.89,1.46,0.24,0.01,12.24
16,1.70,4.39,4.10,1.72,0.32,0.02,12.24
17,1.44,4.11,4.26,1.99,0.42,0.03,12.24
18,1.22,3.83,4.37,2.26,0.53,0.04,12.24
19,1.02,3.53,4.44,2.54,0.66,0.06,12.24
20,0.85,3.23,4.47,2.81,0.80,0.08,12.24
21,0.70,2.93,4.45,3.08,0.97,0.11,12.24
22,0.58,2.64,4.39,3.34,1.16,0.15,12.24
23,0.47,2.35,4.29,3.58,1.36,0.19,12.24
24,0.38,2.08,4.16,3.80,1.58,0.24,12.24
25,0.30,1.82,3.99,3.99,1.82,0.30,12.24
26,0.24,1.58,3.80,4.16,2.08,0.38,12.24
27,0.19,1.36,3.58,4.29,2.35,0.47,12.24
28,0.15,1.16,3.34,4.39,2.64,0.58,12.24
29,0.11,0.97,3.08,4.45,2.93,0.70,12.24
30,0.08,0.80,2.81,4.47,3.23,0.85,12.24
31,0.06,0.66,2.54,4.44,3.53,1.02,12.24
32,0.04,0.53,2.26,4.37,3.83,1.22,12.24
33,0.03,0.42,1.99,4.26,4.11,1.44,12.24
34,0.02,0.32,1.72,4.10,4.39,1.70,12.24
35,0.01,0.24,1.46,3.89,4.64,1.99,12.24
36,0.01,0.18,1.22,3.65,4.87,2.32,12.24
37,0.01,0.13,0.99,3.37,5.05,2.70,12.24
38,0.00,0.09,0.79,3.06,5.20,3.12,12.24
39,0.00,0.06,0.60,2.71,5.28,3.59,12.24
40,0.00,0.04,0.45,2.35,5.29,4.12,12.24
41,0.00,0.02,0.31,1.98,5.23,4.71,12.24
42,0.00,0.01,0.21,1.60,5.07,5.36,12.24
43,0.00,0.00,0.12,1.23,4.80,6.08,12.24
44,0.00,0.00,0.06,0.88,4.41,6.88,12.24
45,0.00,0.00,0.03,0.57,3.88,7.77,12.24
46,0.00,0.00,0.01,0.30,3.20,8.74,12.24
47,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.11,2.33,9.80,12.24
48,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.28,10.97,12.24
49,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,12.24,12.24
Totals,100,100,100,100,100,100,N/A

I just Thought this Might be of Interest.

Francis,


I Assume you are Intending to Setup a Syndicate for Your System.

All the Best.
PAB