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Old 10-28-2008, 02:16 AM
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Exclamation Ken Silver and other lotto systems...

Thought I would start this thread due to a posting I made in another thread about Ken Silver and his 'Honest Lotto'. Yup, I bought it and thought that it may unlock the secrets of the lotto. Then I used it, checked it out against past results, and found that it was worth less than the MC Hammer CD that I got for free and now use as a prop for a short leg on my sofa. It lead me BACK to what I said before and I'll say again; 'The best system to use in order to win the lottery is the one that gets you all of the numbers.' Whether it's QPs, Wheels, Gail Howard, or rubbing your kid's head and writing down the numbers that come out of his mouth. Not trying to hate on the systems that have been well thought out and implemented here. I believe that they are useful and hope that one, or more, of them can hit for the members of this board. Yes, this board is intense and is probably the best collection of lotto players in cyber-space. So I'm anticipating the day that a member, hopefully me, will come online and say that they've hit it big. BTW, if I do, party in Toronto... However this message is more for the newbies. Listen and try to learn from the what is said here. If everyone loves a system; maybe it may be worth a try. If they hate it... odds say that it doesn't work. Not that it will never hit a big win, just that over the long run, without that big hit, it will likely get you nothing. I guess the way I'll put it is; in baseball Ozzie Smith, or Wade Boggs, had relatively few BIG hits in their career. They're Hall-of-Famers due to consistency. Mark McGwire, drugs aside, was a Monster who had many big hits, and he watches from the sidelines. I say this because I do feel that there are systems that will provide you consistency, while the 'Ken Silver-type' systems may provide you a big hit. However, when it comes to the lotto, the big hit is so hard to predict that if you're really a 'betting-man', consistency is where to put your money. Not money in terms of weekly investment, but money in terms of what system to buy. Remember, Gail Howard's systems have won a few people alot of money, but there are those who have probably won next to nothing, and those who have lost what they had hoping. Yes, I am a lottery player; and yes, I do expect to win. However, in the long run I know that on any given Sunday (actually Wed or Sat), any given system can give any given player the results they want. So take this advice, listen to the 'Pros', and if you get anything from this post; stay clear of the systems that are considered 'waste' by those you find here.

Iasounis....

P.S. I currently don't use a 'system'. Just a bit of mathematical know-how, combined with a penchant to steer clear of obvious patterns.
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Old 10-28-2008, 08:37 AM
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I've tested the Ken Silver method myself for the Belgian Lotto (for over two years of draws!), with no luck at all (not even a secondary prize). Good thing that I didn't play for real, or it would have cost me quite a lot of money.

About Gail Howard: the 'smart pick' system is a real bummer. Here also: tested it for an extensive amount of drawings, with little or no luck. The info generated by the statistics in her software however, can be very helpful.

Right now, I'm testing a new system, which has proven to be quite succesful in past drawings (test driven for 100+ drawings). If the results stay consistently good, I will share my knowledge with all you guys. But think long term...
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Old 10-28-2008, 11:47 AM
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Personally, I think all these programs are money making schemes and the only people making money and getting rich are the people selling them..
There is no way of knowing which numbers will be drawn next..It`s all guess work on everyone`s part..I do agree that patterns do take form from time to time but you no sooner get a pattern figured out and the balls change course...I think all anyone can do is to follow the more popular numbers and hope they surface when you expect them to..If these programs truly worked we would have lots of millionaire winners or at a substanial amount of winners among us..I think the best course of action when choosing numbers is to follow your instinct and keep a close eye on what numbers seem to pop up more frequently then other`s..You don`t need a program for that!..No one can predict the future no matter how many charts there are out there..All you can do is pray and hope that your numbers will hit..If you do feel that charts work best for you then you will have just as much chance of picking a number using your own personal charts..Why make someone else rich buying programs when you can use your own.
Just my thoughts on the subject..
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Old 10-28-2008, 05:33 PM
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Personally, I think all these programs are money making schemes and the only people making money and getting rich are the people selling them...
Hi Jillian,

I am a lottery program developer myself (and a seller).

I do appreciate your opinion on this issue, but you have to understand that not all programs out there are hyped-up scams like the one(s) you mentioned.
And to be honest with you, it's very difficult to create a lottery "best-seller", and/or to get rich from it.
That's because there are two groups of players (buyers) out there: the patient ones, and the impatient ones.

Unfortunately, the biggest group of players/buyers on the internet are the impatient ones. They buy one of the many push-one-button-systems and expect to win a major jackpot within a week or two. When results stay out, they move on to the next one. In general, due to bad word of mouth, those systems collapse before they become best-sellers (which is the reason why they change names so often and provide the same rehashed crap over and over again)

A second (much smaller) group of players realize that they only have to win the jackpot just once. Those are the smart unemotional players who stick with a plan for the rest of their lives. Unfortunately, when those players find or buy such a plan (hundreds mailed me and praised my plan for excellent logics), they keep their silence... which is quite understandable for obvious and not so obvious reasons.
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Old 10-30-2008, 04:27 AM
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Hi Stefan, thanks for your input. I checked out your website quite some time ago (several months or years, I don't even remember), and followed your logic. I did not buy your software (no hard feelings I hope but it takes some convincing before I buy something), but following your logic, I designed a series of combinations in an excel sheet to make sure that I get past the second ball drawn, no matter what these two numbers are (I probably did not create the combinations in an optimal way, but this was just for testing purposes).

- First off, I have to say that your system delivers the full 100% of what it promises! No matter what the first two balls drawn are, they are always combined somewhere within the combinations played, reducing the odds to hit the jackpot significantly.

However, having tested it over an extensive period with Belgian Lotto:

- The weekly investment to apply this system is just too much for most single players
- Many weeks go by in which you only win few very small prizes, if any

To reduce the odds even further (get past the third or fourth ball drawn), a hell of a lot more combo's would have to be played (I did not make an excel sheet for these combinations, that was just too much work), making it even more expensive.

Having said this, and this is for the other forum members, please do not ask me for the excel sheet, I won't send it to anyone. The idea behind this system is from Stefan, not mine, so if you want to test it, please buy his software. You never know it might bring you some luck in your local lottery.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:27 AM
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Hi Stefan, thanks for your input. I checked out your website quite some time ago (several months or years, I don't even remember), and followed your logic. I did not buy your software (no hard feelings I hope but it takes some convincing before I buy something), but following your logic, I designed a series of combinations in an excel sheet to make sure that I get past the second ball drawn, no matter what these two numbers are (I probably did not create the combinations in an optimal way, but this was just for testing purposes).

- First off, I have to say that your system delivers the full 100% of what it promises! No matter what the first two balls drawn are, they are always combined somewhere within the combinations played, reducing the odds to hit the jackpot significantly.

However, having tested it over an extensive period with Belgian Lotto:

- The weekly investment to apply this system is just too much for most single players
- Many weeks go by in which you only win few very small prizes, if any

To reduce the odds even further (get past the third or fourth ball drawn), a hell of a lot more combo's would have to be played (I did not make an excel sheet for these combinations, that was just too much work), making it even more expensive.

Having said this, and this is for the other forum members, please do not ask me for the excel sheet, I won't send it to anyone. The idea behind this system is from Stefan, not mine, so if you want to test it, please buy his software. You never know it might bring you some luck in your local lottery.

Hi GameBelgium,
First, let me clarify that I am not selling software. I am selling a book, explaining the logics behind sequential wheels (1if1, 2if2, 3if3, etc...) in a very clear and easy to understand language.

99% of lottery players worldwide have no clue what a 2if2-wheel - or any other sequential wheel for that matter - implies. But, as you might know, the "big boys" love these wheels and don't care about winning small prizes. The jackpot is what they (and I) are after.

Sure enough, almost anybody understands "the guarantee" or "the absence of the minimum-prize guarantee", but they don't understand the implications. My book was written with that purpose in mind: understanding the logics and implications of sequential wheels.

Now I agree with you that the weekly investment of let's say a full 2if2 wheel ("full" meaning that all possible numbers are covered) quickly adds up. Nevertheless, I also explain in my book how anyone can easily construct a perfect sequential wheel with less than 10 tickets. Don't you think many people can afford to play let's say 10 tickets?

Most players are "lottery-illiterates", impatient, and fall for a minimum prize guarantee. This is soooooooooo stupid. Most minimum prize guarantees are illusions and actually make you lose the jackpot, a statement which I made quite clear on my free "lotto system guide". I am never happy when I win a small prize... Winning a small prize means "losing the big one" (small prizes are an invention to keep many players motivated to keep on playing).

Another thing is that many players "back-test" systems, which is quite useless as well. Let me clarify this... You shouldn't expect to win the jackpot more than once in your life. If I would back-test a series of combinations, I wouldn't play them for real if they turned out to be previous jackpot winners. Although the chances for previous jackpot combinations to turn up again is equal than any other combination, it never happened yet (correct me if I am wrong on this).

Finally, let's not forget that lottery odds are quite impressive. The purpose of any lottery system is to make them less impressive.
Stick to a plan you can afford, understand the plan, believe in it, and never give up. One day it will happen to you.
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Old 10-31-2008, 06:00 AM
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Hi again Stefan

I understand what you're saying, and as much as I agree with most of your theory, it's always nice to win several smaller prices (and I don't mean minimum prices, I totally agree with you on that one!) on your way to the big one.

As for repeating numbers in jackpots, this happened three times in Belgian Lotto history:
02 12 13 25 30 34
04 10 12 25 30 33
08 12 14 25 30 35
have each won the jackpot twice, which I understand is quite exceptional. No clue if this also occured in other lotteries as I focus on the Belgian Lotto only.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:51 AM
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Hi GameBelgium,
First, let me clarify that I am not selling software. I am selling a book, explaining the logics behind sequential wheels (1if1, 2if2, 3if3, etc...) in a very clear and easy to understand language.

99% of lottery players worldwide have no clue what a 2if2-wheel - or any other sequential wheel for that matter - implies. But, as you might know, the "big boys" love these wheels and don't care about winning small prizes. The jackpot is what they (and I) are after.

Sure enough, almost anybody understands "the guarantee" or "the absence of the minimum-prize guarantee", but they don't understand the implications. My book was written with that purpose in mind: understanding the logics and implications of sequential wheels.

Hi Stefan,

How can I get hold of your book? I'm in Kenya, Africa

I'm very much interested on how to generate 3if3, 3if4 etc ...



Thanks
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:16 AM
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Kenya, you can check out Stefan's website: http://www.lottotrix.com/
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Thanks GameBelgium
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Old 11-01-2008, 07:01 AM
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As for repeating numbers in jackpots, this happened three times in Belgian Lotto history:
02 12 13 25 30 34
04 10 12 25 30 33
08 12 14 25 30 35
have each won the jackpot twice, which I understand is quite exceptional.
Hi GameBelgium,

I live in Belgium myself. I am stupified that each of these 3 combos - all having numbers 12, 25 and 30 in common, were drawn twice.
Can you confirm this please? Do you have any draw dates? This really smells fishy to me.
Does anyone else knows about this or did you discover this all by yourself? I bet you, if you would notify our local Belgian magazine HUMO, they would investigate this further. I really can't believe this happened just like that.

Thanks for your input!

Stefan
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Old 11-01-2008, 08:58 AM
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There are only 49 numbers in a 6/49 lottery

Surprised, stupified? Come on Stephan, with numbers anything can (and will) happen. Flip a coin and for the third draw, most likely you will get a repeat.

Sorry it was an easy one, but seriously, here are a few facts all based on the Canadian Lotto 6/49 that has happened in the first 2,585 draws (starting in June 1982).

- the same 3 numbers (05–17–31) already have appeared 12 times in winning combinations (draws # 229, 247, 568, 676, 840, 982, 1065, 1822, 1950, 2080, 2094 and 2409);

- 4 numbers have repeated themselves 4 times in the winning combinations (like numbers 02-10-31-49 in draws # 41, 1428, 1737 and 2574);

- already in 66 occasions, the same 5 numbers have reappeared in 2 winning combinations (like numbers 01-03-19-32-47 in draws # 45 and 977);

- if you combine both Lotto 6/49 and Quebec 49 (Quebec being a province of Canada), respectively with 2,585 and 1,157 draws, the same winning combination appeared in both lotteries (numbers 03-06-37-38-45-47 in draw #2046 for Lotto 6/49 and draw # 853 for Quebec 49.

So somewhere, somehow I expect the same 6 numbers to reappear in the same lottery soon (of course relatively speaking, like in the next 10-15 years but maybe as soon as tonight).
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Old 11-02-2008, 04:46 AM
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Hi again Stefan, you live in Waregem right? I live near Gent myself.

Stefan, I owe you an apology. These data were provided to me by a friend, and I just believed it, without taking the time to investigate it. I checked the combinations on the Lotto website (http://www.lotto.be/pages/show.aspx?Culture=nl&pageid=drawgame/lotto/stat/combino&cache=2bbd2da6), and none of the mentioned combinations were drawn twice. The information is not correct, I should have investigated it further before posting this info, I'm really sorry. Coming from a good friend, I just assumed he was right. He himself got this information from lottery software, so once again people, beware of lottery software distributors, some might not be so trustworthy! Having invested so much time into studying Belgian Lotto, I should have been more critical with this information myself, so thanks for pointing this out to me, it won't happen again. Too bad, it would have made some good reading material in Humo!
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Old 11-03-2008, 05:22 PM
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Stefan, I owe you an apology. These data were provided to me by a friend, and I just believed it, without taking the time to investigate it. I checked the combinations on the Lotto website (http://www.lotto.be/pages/show.aspx?Culture=nl&pageid=drawgame/lotto/stat/combino&cache=2bbd2da6), and none of the mentioned combinations were drawn twice. The information is not correct, I should have investigated it further before posting this info, I'm really sorry. Coming from a good friend, I just assumed he was right. He himself got this information from lottery software, so once again people, beware of lottery software distributors, some might not be so trustworthy! Having invested so much time into studying Belgian Lotto, I should have been more critical with this information myself, so thanks for pointing this out to me, it won't happen again. Too bad, it would have made some good reading material in Humo!

Hi GameBelgium,
Don't feel sorry about it. I knew it was nearly impossible without "dirty tricks" or an (un)intentional biased lottery machine (one never knows for sure you know). This was really "against all odds".
Thanks for the clarification!

Stefan
P.S. Your discovery would have trippled Humo's sales! Pitty!
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Interesting discussion.

I had years of casino work and would like to make a parallel between lotto and casino games, not the techniques but "systems".

My first boss "in the racket" said that after you'd been in the business a few years you'd get to about page six of most gambling books before you said, "This guy's full of baloney, too."
(Oddly, the very same boss was a heavy duty Keno player).

People have to understand that whether you are talking rolls of the dice, spins of a roulette ball, etc....that the information people try and used is based on millions of decisions. "Never take insurance" on blackjack comes to mind here. Well, maybe you're a $2 bettor and tonight is the one time in your life you've got a $100 bet out there and the dealer says, Insurance?". TAKE IT in that case!

Now, as stefan said, there are patient and impatient players...in many cases, the buying public (gambling info.) is their own worst enemy, because what they want to read is "How to turn a toothpick into a lumberyard with $1"...
This is one genre of books and info, where people seem to willingly forget the "if it's too good to be true rule, it is"....

Just a couple of tidbits on both sides of this....of all the information sold via the mail, people buying gambling information are most likely to stick the seller with a bad check - not only do they want to beat the house, but they also want to beat the person selling the info., too.

As for the sellers, many are just trying to do something to bring in more money so they can play more!!

But as stefan also said, in lotto it only takes that one pop!
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