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05-20-2008, 08:51 AM
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Hi Blitzed
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Hiya BP, Patrick, everyone!
USA Powerball does one pre-draw test & four post-draw tests.
Powerball actually does the courtesy of providing that draw data:
http://www.powerball.com/powerball/testpb.doc
http://www.powerball.com/powerball/pb_nbr_history.asp
so there are 2 datasets to pick apart on the workbench for calibrating other games
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Thanks. I've been looking for Powerball history for sometime. It's even
unsorted, which helps with Moses's end digits method.
-BP
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05-20-2008, 09:01 AM
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Hi joesam
Please contact me ASAP.
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05-20-2008, 09:33 AM
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Patrick123 and Springbok
Here's Powerball's pre-drawing test reports for May 2008:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8217/pretestpbfs0.jpg
There appears to be 4 pre-tests, 1 post test and multiple machines.
This layer or universe is going to be difficult to factor in Winnalotto.
BTW, Saliu's talking about automating some of his programs
and focusing more on least pairs as anti-filter. That could be interesting.
-BP
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05-20-2008, 10:22 AM
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All numbers likely or unlikely
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Can you believe this numbers 5, 7, 8 ,9, 10, 30 BB48
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What is so particular about those numbers?
Is it because there are 4 numbers in a single decade (1-9)?
Well in theory, this should happen about 0.32% of the times and in the Canadian Lotto 6/49 with its 2,538 draws, it happened 9 times (or 0.35%)
Is it because 5 numbers where whithin a range of 6?
Well again in the Canadian Lotto 6/49, this happened twice (or 0.08%) but even more surprising, there was one draw with 5 numbers in a decade and even better, in the same draw, when counting the bonus number, there were 6 consecutive numbers (40-41-42-43-44-45). When will 6 consecutive numbers come as regular winning numbers?
Also when considering the lexographical value of the numbers, one draw was within the first 0.001% and while another draw within the last 0.001%.
So, what can we expect. Well, there are 13,986,815 combinations other than the one anyboby expect to come out, and any one of them is as likely as the others.
Cheer up, and eventually ....
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05-20-2008, 10:50 AM
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Hi GillesD,
I agree it is a possible number combination and that it has as much possibility of happening. Out of South Africa's 700 odd draws, it just seems to happen a bit too frequently??? e.g. the draw 17 Oct 2007 and 2 draws later 24 Oct 2007, both had 4 numbers is the same decade (5th), and I just spotted them now after reading your post, so possibly there's more?
In relation to the standard bell curve, may I ask if you think this should happen so often?
I agree, treat this as a game, a battle of wits, a pleasant past-time like fishing. If you become obsessed with it, you'll lose a lot of money, the thrill of the chase is fantastic  even if you don't get the prize.
Regards
Patrick
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05-20-2008, 11:20 AM
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Hi GillesD, me again
I was curious, so I did a quick analysis in a spreadsheet:
Decade BB Excl BB Inc
0-9 6 12
10-19 4 11
20-29 6 9
30-39 1 9
40-49 5 14
Apologies for the poor formatting of the table. In relation to the Canadian Lotto, it seems to happen way to frequently.
I have not checked the counts within a range of 6, but what I did find, that draw with the balls 5,7,8,9,10 had a near equivalent on 26/05/2004 with 7,8,9,10 and 12  seems a little too co-incidental?
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Patrick
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05-20-2008, 12:03 PM
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To All
I'm not sure what to back test with this issue of pre-test drawings. It's like
using history draws that are missing drawings. Should we add some
of the pre-tests to the winning draw history when filtering out draws
already played? This certainly effects skips and median which we rely on
to forecaste. Can anyone give us a sense of how this can be handled?
Should we return to the days of computer picks, dream numbers, etc.?
-BP
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05-20-2008, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by black prince
I'm not sure what to back test with this issue of pre-test drawings. It's like
using history draws that are missing drawings. Should we add some
of the pre-tests to the winning draw history when filtering out draws
already played? This certainly effects skips and median which we rely on
to forecaste. Can anyone give us a sense of how this can be handled?
Should we return to the days of computer picks, dream numbers, etc.?
-BP
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Welcome to Lotto Trek, the next Frontier!
At this stage, I think this is now a new territory for everyone. It's now a matter of test,test and experiment until we can get a feel of what's going on.
Regards
Patrick
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05-20-2008, 03:05 PM
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Patrick, Your Right!! I shall keep trying in the face of great insurmountable odds.
My results are like the bumble bee. It's body is too heavy and wings
too short to support flying and/or hovering, but yet it does fly and
hover without any problems. If it understood this, would it fall from the sky?
Today's Winnalotto picks for Treasure Hunt (5/20/08):
1,2, 4,5, 7,9,10,11,14, 16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,27,28,30 -> 21 numbers
Today's BRIGHT5 results for Treasure Hunt (5/20/08):
1,2, 4,5, 7,9,10,11,14, 16,18,19,20,21,25,27,28,30 -> 18 numbers
Actual Winning Draw (5/20/08): 1-4-7-16-18
Yes! they both hit 5 out of 5, but there are too many numbers for reduction.
Again, Median is different in Winnalotto vs BRIGHT5. HELP!!!!!
-BP
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05-20-2008, 03:22 PM
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Helllo Black Price
you should be putting your numbers into a line. Then you should bee using the break and make function of Util5.exe to make them into a full wheel. Then you should be using Bright5 filters to reduce the combinations to a few like five or 6. Also activate the inner filters as well.
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05-20-2008, 03:29 PM
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Evening Patrick
When you test by skipping draws you will realise that the very last line read is a function of the skip sequence you are using in relation to the size of your history draw. To put it simply if you use a skip of 7 you would assume it would stop reading 7 lines before your target of the next line. No ways. It could be or it could be the previous draw or 3 draws back or whatever.
So far testing on the 49s game seems to show the idea of skipping x amount of draws is valid.
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05-20-2008, 04:10 PM
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Hello all 6/49 players
Here are the odds of getting all 6 numbers in the 6/49 game in a pool of 24 numbers. Calculations are done by Saliu's Oddscalc.exe
The odds calculated as EXACTLY in a lotto game '49/6/24':
~ 3 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 3
~ 4 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 4.39
~ 5 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 13.16
~ 6 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 103.89
The odds calculated as AT LEAST in a lotto game '49/6/24':
~ 0 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 1
~ 1 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 1.01
~ 2 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 1.12
~ 3 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 1.55
~ 4 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 3.19
~ 5 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 11.68
~ 6 of 6 in 24 from 49 -> 1 in 103.89
Surely with all the fancy filters we have this can be achieved relatively easily?
If the odds are about 1 in 4 for 4 numbers then we should be able to find the remaining 2 reasonably easily.
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05-20-2008, 06:13 PM
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Springbok
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Helllo Black Price
you should be putting your numbers into a line. Then you should bee using
the break and make function of Util5.exe to make them into a full wheel.
Then you should be using Bright5 filters to reduce the combinations to a
few like five or 6. Also activate the inner filters as well.
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I use UTIL532.exe -> (M) Make/Break/Position -> (4) Break 5+/Positional Ranges ->
(2) All 5 Numbers Equally -> ENTER The Input File: My_Numbers.txt
My_Numbers.txt contains '1 2 4 5 7 9 10 11 14 16 18 19 20 21 25 27 28 30'
I save the output as 'ALL_NUMS.TXT'. In this case the number of draws are 8,568.
Now comes the dificult part with BRIGHT5. I have D5-01 thru D5-10 files which
I have concatenated the 8,568 draws in the beginning of each and save. Now I run
Reports.exe to create W5 and MD5 files (W5.1 thru W5.4 and MD5.1 thru MD5.4),
Next I run Strategy5.exe to analyze the W5 and MD5 for the strategy needed to
produce filters to reduce these draws. And now I'm completely lost  on how
to determine which Any, Ver, Ion from the reports has the numbers to use.
-BP
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05-20-2008, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by black prince
Patrick, Your Right!! I shall keep trying in the face of great insurmountable odds.
My results are like the bumble bee. It's body is too heavy and wings
too short to support flying and/or hovering, but yet it does fly and
hover without any problems. If it understood this, would it fall from the sky?
Today's Winnalotto picks for Treasure Hunt (5/20/08):
1,2, 4,5, 7,9,10,11,14, 16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,27,28,30 -> 21 numbers
Today's BRIGHT5 results for Treasure Hunt (5/20/08):
1,2, 4,5, 7,9,10,11,14, 16,18,19,20,21,25,27,28,30 -> 18 numbers
Actual Winning Draw (5/20/08): 1-4-7-16-18
Yes! they both hit 5 out of 5, but there are too many numbers for reduction.
Again, Median is different in Winnalotto vs BRIGHT5. HELP!!!!!
-BP
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Hi BP,
First congratulations for your results.
Now, about the Treasure Hunt result for the 5/20/2008 :
Winning Numbers for TUE 05/20/08 11-19-20-22-30
It seems that the result you gave for 5/20/2008 is in reality for 5/19/20.
Hope I'm right.
taaroa
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05-21-2008, 12:05 AM
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Hi BP,
First congratulations for your results.
Now, about the Treasure Hunt result for the 5/20/2008 :
Winning Numbers for TUE 05/20/08 11-19-20-22-30
It seems that the result you gave for 5/20/2008 is in reality for 5/19/20.
Hope I'm right.
taaroa
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Your right!!. I'm tired and need some rest. But I still got 19, 20, 22, and 30,
which is very good. I'm tracking lotteries, Treasure Hunt, Cash5 and Powerball.
I'm changing my programs constantly to keep up with this forum.
It's fun and exhausting at the same time.  Thanks for catching my error.
-BP
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