The OLG says lotto 649 is totally random. I have believed this position for a number of years now. Recently an acquaintance of mine voiced a completely opposite view. This person (who happens to be a professional scientist and therefore is quite familiar with randomness and the applicable laws of mathematics) said:
a) the balls used in the 649 each contains computer chips.
b) these balls are remotely controlled.
c) when the public stops buying tickets (in Toronto at 9pm), the OLG compiles a list of ALL the played selections.
d) the draw is done at 10:15pm. Because the OLG knows ALL the played selections at this time, the balls are programmed so it is the selection of 7 balls (the 6 regular balls and the bonus ball) which the OLG wants to appear which appear.
e) the whole thing of spinning the balls infront of independent observers and letting them fall randomly is just a front.
f) simply put the OLG decides what numbers win, or don't win, depending on the list of played selections they already have after ticket sales stop.
g) I argued that the public DOES win large prizes. He said yes, that was only so the game stays credible, to give the illusion real people actually win the jackpot.
h) he justifies his views this way: a group of his friends spent large sums of money over an extended period of time playing the 649, but won nothing of worth. They became suspicious and challenged the OLG to allow them to see inside the balls. The OLG refused. They then asked the OLG to replace all the balls in the presence of witnesses with new neutrally inspected balls of same size and weight, subjected to the same spinning conditions. The OLG refused.
i) he therefore concluded, the OLG must be hiding something inside the balls, otherwise why refuse to let the public inspect their insides?

Share your views on this subject people.

I dont know what OLG is but they dont have to compile a list when alll ticket machines close, the list can be created and modified as players buy their tickets. So that means less 'processing' needs to be done between 9 - 10:15pm.

One test would be to see if two or more 6/49 lotteries produce similar results over a given period of time -assuming they use exactly the same methods to draw the numbers. If they dont then something is wrong somewhere.

And another thing, is lottery companies have to make a profit and govenments have to claim their tax. So, a so called 'random' game has to produce consistent results...no margin for errors.

sounds crooked to me, if they are not willing to show they have nothing to hide.

cheers!
blitzed

interesting concept but each draw is videotaped and televised , also available on the web. so you are saying they remote control the balls to drop. i wonder how that machine would work since the maker of the machine is ryo couteau
here is there facts

A Ryo-Catteau draw machine is used to draw the winning numbers.
The Ryo-Catteau is a standard and traditional ball machine manufactured by Ryo-Catteau of Wattrelos, France. The balls are bounced around inside the Plexiglas sphere.
The draws are conducted by the Interprovincial Lottery Corporation (ILC) in Toronto.
The balls are made of solid India rubber, manufactured to exact tolerances.
The numbers on the balls are ingrained in the rubber so that the weight of each ball is the same.
All the balls are regularly tested for weight, resilience, sphericity, volume and density.
Representatives from an independent auditing firm audit are supposed to audit every aspect of the draw to ensure its integrity.
You can purchase a ticket at authorized retailers until 9 PM Eastern time on draw night.
Before every draw, each of the five regional lottery corporations notifies the ILC in Toronto once it has closed off the participating wagers in its territory.
The draw is usually held around 10 PM ET. There have been instances during large jackpots when the draw was delayed.
All balls are placed in numerical order in the ball rack of the draw machine. The balls are released into a drum which is spun for at least 10 seconds before a button is pressed to release the first ball.
The ball drops into the trap at the bottom of the drum and an electric eye prompts its release into a chute. The appropriate number of balls, including the bonus, are released into the chute one by one.
The same balls are used in every draw and undergo testing and cleaning to ensure that each meets strict requirements. If a ball is damaged, then the entire set of balls is replaced.
Between draws, the balls are locked away in a sealed container.
Each draw is videotaped, witnessed and officially recorded by independent adjudicators.
Once the draw has taken place, the ILC notifies each of the lottery corporations of the winning draw numbers. These corporations then run the results through their computer systems to determine the number of winners in their territory. Afterwards, the corporations send this information to the ILC so it can establish the countrywide prize division.
Imperfections:

! Used To Watch That Draw Online Religiously But I For 5 Year Have Never:
1- Hard Any Sound Or Voices On It
2-paused The Video Of The Draw And Noticed The Total Balls In The Drum Could Not Be 49
3- Never Seen Any Ppl Attend The Draw Wtf Have They Drawn Already Thousands Of Draws With Videos Recorded Already And Then Just Pick The Perfect Video Which Represents The Best Possible Result So That The Lotto Can Not Be Won So As To Build It
4-finally The Big One

How Come There Are Many Winners From Ontario Winning Big Jackpots But When U Go To The Olgc Website Many Winners For Big Jackpots Aren't Accounted For No Pictures No Nothing Wtffffffffffffffffffffffffff I Smell A Fish Here

Hello ,interesting thought and years ago i used to think the same. but in the last year they have made each draw available thru windows media player with actual sound and a closeup of each ball number. one interesting note is the lotto max machine is a different machine altogether. go to olgc.ca and view lottery draws. then select the current draw.
plus deloitte and computershare canada trust company monitor all draws.

one last not on the olg, this is a non profit organization . they are only allowed to keep up to 49% of the winnings which most thhey give away in grants.

the other 51% goes out to winning tickets.


jimmy

Well my friend am not talking about the numbers they zoom in am talking about the whole group of numbers in the drum when it is spinning just pause it when it is in motion and then do a random count of the number you will be shocked even the estimate wont be close to 49 number more like 20

about sound u are confused about what am talking about am not talking about the rumbling sound of the drum am talking about people -well u said it is monitored by compushare then why the heck dont i see the guys there for all i know could be a draw that was done month earlier

show some people , show those people that have been asked to monitor it , show us those people from the public that have asked to watch the draw for five years i have never, ever seen a witness or a person let alone even speak on say a word on the video

i hope you are not taking every thing you read as the gospel truth jimmy my friend tsk tsk tsk

all am saying is there is no body from the general public even a street bum that i have ever seen attending the draw i haven't even seen or heard voices of these so called cmpushare guy observing it , its the same video every wed and sat saaaaaaaame thing

now that I think of it, even if lottery drawings were a public event, going from town to town like a traveling circus...there would still be people suspecting it was a rigged like a crooked carny game ha

blitzed

blitzes my friend you sound naive, do you think it really okay for there not to be eye witness to draw do u really think that way , u know i Canada i have sen ppl like you who get fooled by used car salesmen , Realtor , you know ppl that just accept things as they are , and think everything is perfect and 100% since WE LIVE IN CANADA!
OPEN YOU MIND MY FRIEND AND ALSO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES!!

you misunderstood.

people buy lottery tickets, yet have no faith in the draws?

blitzed

They do not need to put microchips in the balls as there are so many ways for it to be rigged however this idea is quite possible. I do not know how exactly how they rig it but I do know 100% that the results nowadays are controlled and the winning numbers are chosen. I have a lot of experience with the lottery, randomness, syndicates, math, odds, etc and even knew people who claim to be 'insiders' or family of 'insiders' so I know what I'm talking about. Here's a secret. Buy your tickets in supermarkets, malls, or stores that have a lot of people around if you want to win the jackpot. Look for "professional" looking person that seems to hang around lottery spots without reason. Don't buy from a store that's empty with only the clerk present. If you have a long criminal record or convicted of violent crimes or even look the part, you may not want to waste your money. If you live in British Columbia, you may NOT want to buy any Lotto 649. Why? Look at the history for the past 10yrs or 20 years even. BC has 1/3rd the population of Ontario but the winnings is less that 1/100 in terms of Jackpot dollars won. Just count the ROLLOVER jackpots that have been won exclusively in BC and compare that to Ontario's. The numbers will confirm the game is bent. Someone really needs to sue these corporations!

hiya rigged2lose, are there stats for how much players spend on lotto649 in BC vs. Ontario?

later

I supposed those stats exist but I don't have it. I would think the lottery corporations definitely do have them as regards to the revenues generated per provinces and cities even. With that said, I would think the general spending habits of people are the same no matter where they live in Canada. People are people after all lol, and given sufficient numbers, things should all be about the same. For the stats on jackpot dollars won in BC vs Ontario, you can get them at www.BCLC.com in the 649 section. It has stats on every draw going back to 1982. Where and how much won, it's all there although you may need to do a little math work.