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lottotrix strikes gold!!!!!

luckyhorse
10-11-2003, 10:06 PM
believe it or not tonight i hit another 4 number prize in the bc/49 thats 2 in the last 2 draws!!! and 3 in the last 7!!!! the numbers in the bc/49 were 1-2-3-23-32-49 b16 i had on one line 1-2-3-23 i did not hit any 3 number prizes this draw!!!! i sniff a jackpot win on the way!!!!! horseshoes????!!!! or one helluva scientific winning system use it and you decide!!!!

Dennis Bassboss
10-11-2003, 10:25 PM
I wont use it....But I respect your opinion...

luckyhorse
10-11-2003, 10:45 PM
thanks for the respect!!!! i see how powerful your winning selections have been i will be sure to use your numbers for the super 7 !!!!!

Brad
10-11-2003, 11:56 PM
Luckyhorse,

I have no reason to doubt your success but you must agree that without posting your picks prior to the draw we really have no confirmation.

If you are hesitant to do so 'cuz someone could 'steal' your picks just post them after the 5PM PST deadline, but bfr the draw takes place ... say by 6PM.

Since the lines are different for every draw as I think you mentioned earlier this should not pose a problem.

Otherwise your claimed success may start to look like a thinly guised attempt to advertise,

Cheers

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 12:02 AM
see the reason i dont post them is the same sets of numbers get used every draw if i was to post them i fear that in the event of a big win i would have to split the jackpot with a few of you i guess iam greedy!!!!! but i could change the arrangment and let you guys give it a go with a different set!!!! but then i might be infringing on the copyright of stefan and his lotto system

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 12:10 AM
i am just thinking you know what i have no reason to advertise his system because i dont sell it so if there is no interst in this system i will just post win i hit all six and let you all know when to look for me in the luck magazine!!!! i'am just really excited about this system because right from the beginning of my lotto system play back with gails original report state lotteries how to get in it and how to win it I HAVE NEVER HAD SUCH CONSISTENT WINS IN THE LOTTERY!!! positive thinking??? maybe! but i tell you what right now i'am knowing that i will win a prize next draw the question is what it will be????

Brad
10-12-2003, 12:24 AM
Well good luck to you then. When you get your photo taken for the Luck mag hang a sign with LUCKYHORSE on it around your neck :lol:

Until then I reserve the right to think all this is horsesh*t :D

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 12:49 AM
kind of harsh dont you think??? i have decided to keep my wins to myself until i hit the big one!!!! then we will see who is sucking the hind tit!!! lol!

Brad
10-12-2003, 12:53 AM
Enjoy your winnings ... how much did you get today, $50 for $82?

Not bad ...

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 12:59 AM
actually in the bc/49 2 plays for a dollar so $50 -$41 = a whopping $9 profit not much but the odds have been beaten!!! i do believe hitting odds 1 in 1032 3 times in the last 7 draws should be looked at with some seriousness i mean who knows this whole thing could make an abrupt turn in the next draw or few draws but to this point it looks extrememly favorable and possible of a potential 5 or 6 number hit!!!! i guess we will see anyway continued success to you in your lotto play !!!!

Brad
10-12-2003, 01:59 AM
Luckyhorse,

the system you are using is nothing new, I have tried similar with no luck. I even wrote a program along the same lines few yrs ago and went thro the entire BC49 history with it only to get about ~57% return, going from memory here. Sure there were some good streaks, and the odds may be somewhat improved over random selections .

But ask yourself this Q: Why is Stefan selling the system rather than playing it to make money for himself? Out of the goodness of his heart? I don't think so. Other ppl have tried to tell you the same. He's put together a slick website and I think he's selling dreams. He'll fight tooth and nail to counteract any negative publicity to protect his venture, but me thinks his system is a glorified set of 2if2 wheels which are available for free.

Food for thought, keep us posted if you like, cheers and good luck!

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 02:15 AM
i dont know??? but i have given it a little thought and the success of this system might tie into the spread of individual ticketed numbers perhaps they all are in line with the ever popular bell curve that every so-called lottery expert uses in there software or literature the reason i think this is when i look at the ticketed combinations that get generated using the system the 49 numbers seem to be pretty well distributed and who knows maybe this is truly the key to m,aking this lottotrix work!!! anyway we can speculate forever on end about this i have decided to continue using the system as long as i have at leat 2 prizes come back every draw the minute this system fails on delivering at least that many prizes i will quit quicker than you can say poor house! and if i hit all six send me your address and i will send you a 24 of canadian and we can toast the success of this system together!!!!

Brad
10-12-2003, 02:49 AM
Ok then, make it a case of Okanagan Spring Pale Ale and you got yourself a deal ;)

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 03:04 AM
you got it brad!

Irvin
10-12-2003, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by luckyhorse
see the reason i dont post them is the same sets of numbers get used every draw if i was to post them i fear that in the event of a big win i would have to split the jackpot with a few of you i guess iam greedy!!!!! but i could change the arrangment and let you guys give it a go with a different set!!!! but then i might be infringing on the copyright of stefan and his lotto system

Best of luck for winning the big one on a system that I think is flawed.

As you have stated above you do not want to share the system so when you win the big one you wont have to share with many.

Will guess what......What about the other people who have bought the same design.

Yes I agree with you that you will have 2 (or 3) 3 number wins. How can you not. Every 2 number combination has been covered so with 5 more balls (4+B) still to be drawn from 47 you have a 1 in 9.4 chance of a matching ball coming up (infact it will be less than this because you are covering more than the theoretical minimum required).

You would have read a calculation that Nick posted that with the 2if2 system set at 82 lines the odds of you winning the lotto are worse than the actual odds to cover it (I think I also said that after the first 2 balls are drawn you start to head backwards - 1 step forward, 2 steps back).

But hey its your money you have forked out to buy a system that can be had for free.

Here are the flaws I see in a 2if2 system;

Its a 2if2
I presume its static....but then its up to the end user to decide what to do with it.
All the members are probably getting a similar wheel...Stefan are you willing to verify this.

Infact why dont you download a copy of covermaster do a cover report and post the report here.

I think you will be suprised at the percentage of cover you have for this wheel.

After the 2if2 which should be 100% there will be a dramatic drop off.

Irvin
10-12-2003, 05:24 AM
Try one of the following wheels from Peters wheel web page;

4if4from14 numbers = 80 lines
3/3/20 = 72
3/4/26 = 76
3/5/34 = 86
3/6/38 = 85

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 11:19 AM
hi irvin thank you for your stats but you're forgetting about the most important part of a lotto wheel that is performance and stefans wheel is performing!!!! thanks stefan for the 3 four number wins in 7 games!!!! let the results speak for themselves!!!

Nick Koutras
10-12-2003, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by luckyhorse
hi irvin thank you for your stats but you're forgetting about the most important part of a lotto wheel that is performance and stefans wheel is performing!!!! thanks stefan for the 3 four number wins in 7 games!!!! let the results speak for themselves!!!


So you are saying that you did
buy the Design from Stefan?

Wasn't he using an 83 block set for a 6/49 game?


The fact will be, that after you play the system
for more than 30 times, you will end up like
any other system. But I hope you become lucky and hit a 6, out of the one possible line!

stefan
10-12-2003, 12:45 PM
Dear Nick,

I can prove with my copyright papers that lottotrix was (and still is) using 82 lines to trix lotto 649.
I am sure that many of the system designers on the internet are nothing more than system collectors. I AM NOT ONE OF THEM !!!

It is impossible to make a GOOD AND ORIGINAL working system in a couple of hours, NICK. I have spend years of testing and re-designing lottotrix before it was released. So, please respect my work and stop those false insinuations. If you have designed all the systems you have posted on this forums, then you are a genious with a lot of spare time. (I don't believe that)

By the way : lottotrix is a 2if2 system (I prefer the term 6minus2-system) with a twist. And I won't tell anyone what that twist is. That's my secret. I won't even discuss it on the forums. I HATE copycats. Just use lottotrix and you'll see. And add some patience to your game !!!

FAIR PLAY is the name of the game.

Sincerely,

Stefan

P.S. No hard feelings !!!

luckyhorse
10-12-2003, 03:39 PM
hey stefan thanks for coming out to defend your system i was getting exhausted and that little twist to your system !!! yes i think thats what seperates it from a 2 if 2 system!!!!

Matrix
10-12-2003, 06:11 PM
Hi, Nick, Stefan, Irvin, Luckyhorse,
I tried it once only in lotto 6/42.
I bought one ticket and I hit 3 numbers.:agree:

Brad
10-12-2003, 06:34 PM
Out of curiosity I ran Nick's wheel C(49,6,2,2)=82 thro CoverMaster and here's the quick report:

T if M Tested Covered % Not Covered %
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 If 2 : 1,176 1,176 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 3 : 18,424 18,424 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 4 : 211,876 211,876 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 5 : 1,906,884 1,906,884 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 6 : 13,983,816 13,983,816 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 7 : 85,900,584 85,900,584 100.00000 0 0.00000
3 If 3 : 18,424 1,622 8.80373 16,802 91.19627
3 If 4 : 211,876 70,436 33.24397 141,440 66.75603
3 If 5 : 1,906,884 1,282,485 67.25553 624,399 32.74447
3 If 6 : 13,983,816 12,819,096 91.67094 1,164,720 8.32906
3 If 7 : 85,900,584 85,252,568 99.24562 648,016 0.75438
4 If 4 : 211,876 1,230 0.58053 210,646 99.41947
4 If 5 : 1,906,884 53,220 2.79094 1,853,664 97.20906
4 If 6 : 13,983,816 1,124,800 8.04358 12,859,016 91.95642
4 If 7 : 85,900,584 13,564,146 15.79052 72,336,438 84.20948
5 If 5 : 1,906,884 492 0.02580 1,906,392 99.97420
5 If 6 : 13,983,816 21,238 0.15188 13,962,578 99.84812
5 If 7 : 85,900,584 447,640 0.52111 85,452,944 99.47889
6 If 7 : 85,900,584 3,526 0.00410 85,897,058 99.99590

As you can see the 3if6 is 92%, and the 4if6 is 8% covered.
There must be some tremendous twist on the Trix 2if2 to improve that dramatically.

So I checked the free demo for Luisiana C(40,6,2,2)=57 as displayed on the Trix ws. The CM report is below, note the 3if6 is 97%, and the 4if6 is 13% covered.
That's a bit of an improvement but don't forget that may be 'cuz these are different size wheels. I don't have the ones for a direct comparison but it should be good enough for our discussion.

T if M Tested Covered % Not Covered %
----------------------------------------------------------------------
2 If 2 : 780 780 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 3 : 9,880 9,880 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 4 : 91,390 91,390 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 5 : 658,008 658,008 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 6 : 3,838,380 3,838,380 100.00000 0 0.00000
2 If 7 : 18,643,560 18,643,560 100.00000 0 0.00000
3 If 3 : 9,880 1,120 11.33603 8,760 88.66397
3 If 4 : 91,390 37,944 41.51877 53,446 58.48123
3 If 5 : 658,008 513,354 78.01638 144,654 21.98362
3 If 6 : 3,838,380 3,719,938 96.91427 118,442 3.08573
3 If 7 : 18,643,560 18,631,279 99.93413 12,281 0.06587
4 If 4 : 91,390 845 0.92461 90,545 99.07539
4 If 5 : 658,008 29,040 4.41332 628,968 95.58668
4 If 6 : 3,838,380 482,536 12.57135 3,355,844 87.42865
4 If 7 : 18,643,560 4,545,612 24.38167 14,097,948 75.61833
5 If 5 : 658,008 340 0.05167 657,668 99.94833
5 If 6 : 3,838,380 11,605 0.30234 3,826,775 99.69766
5 If 7 : 18,643,560 192,280 1.03135 18,451,280 98.96865
6 If 7 : 18,643,560 1,936 0.01038 18,641,624 99.98962

Judge for yourself, apologies for the bad formatting.


PS. sorry Irvin, I was playing with the format ... not worth it for the Secret ... isn't that what Colonel Sanders put into KFC? ;)

Irvin
10-12-2003, 07:11 PM
Brad,

Thanks for doing the test.

Luckyhorse / stefan why dont you do a similar test and I bet you will get very similar results.

If we look at the report that Brad has provided you will see that the chances of matches from seven balls (this includes the bonus ball) is;

99% (3num) 91.67% excluding bonus ball.
15.8%(4num) 8% excluding bonus.
0.52%(5num)
0.00410%(6num) This is matching 6 with the first 6 or the bonus. so the chances of winning first div is less than 0.00410%

I usually play a wheel where there is at least a 10% chance of a 6 number win if all your numbers come in.

So we are talking at least 3000 to 4000 times better than the less than 0.00410% (dont forget the 0.00410 was calculated on 7 numbers not 6)

So do you play a wheel that covers all the numbers and claim a lot of small prizes (and once every 2 years a 5 number or 4+b prize if played 2x/week). Or do you play a small wheel and claim the odd small prize but still have a decent shot at the Jack Pot.

Me personally I would take the small wheel.

Irvin
10-12-2003, 07:13 PM
Brad,

What happened to the report you posted?

Irvin
10-12-2003, 07:16 PM
Originally posted by luckyhorse
hi irvin thank you for your stats but you're forgetting about the most important part of a lotto wheel that is performance and stefans wheel is performing!!!! thanks stefan for the 3 four number wins in 7 games!!!! let the results speak for themselves!!!

How can it not be performing? - you have coverd all the numbers.

Its in the higher prizes that this wheel falls flat.

ie anything over 4 numbers.

Nick Koutras
10-12-2003, 08:13 PM
>>>Nick, I can prove it !

You can prove what?
That you can alter the odds?

Call your "Eureka" a Sinking Ship that can not withstand Time
Since you do not know how to calculate odds yet.
I visited your site's web page that indicates the odds
for each Game using your system.

It is completely wrong and very misleading.

YOU CAN NOT IMPROVE THE ODDS for the Jackpot you can only equal them
or reduce them.
In this case you are reducing them.


Lets use the 6/40 game.

1 ticket has a chance of 1:3,838,380
57 (unique) tickets then 57:3,838,380 or 1:67340

You indicate otherwise.
These are statements of ignorance of simple mathematical properties.

I will not correct your calculations since it is up to you
to understand the Probability Properties.


Below are 67 of the pairs that are repeated twice on your 6/40 free system

0116
0203
0213
0216
0220
0225
0228
0307
0310
0311
0312
0313
0314
0315
0318
0319
0320
0321
0323
0324
0325
0328
0329
0330
0332
0334
0335
0337
0416
0508
0509
0616
0827
1115
1116
1119
1123
1135
1316
1320
1325
1328
1516
1519
1523
1535
1617
1619
1620
1622
1623
1625
1626
1628
1631
1633
1635
1636
1638
1639
1640
1923
1935
2025
2028
2335
2528

and below are the pairs that are repeated 3 times


0305
0308
0516
0816


Do you understand then why your odds are wrong?


>>>Dear Nick,

>>>I can prove with my copyright papers that lottotrix was (and still is) using 82 lines to trix lotto 649.
>>>I am sure that many of the system designers on the internet are nothing more than system collectors.
>>>I AM NOT ONE OF THEM !!!


Lotto Designs (covering designs, wheels) are free.
If you know anything about combinatorial designs you can find some or all of them in a good
University Library under Block Designs, BIBD, MOLS, Orthogonal Arrays.




>>>It is impossible to make a GOOD AND ORIGINAL working system in a couple of hours, NICK.


I could provide in a few minutes not in hour a better system than your
and I could prove it to you if you are willing to compare yours with mine.
The answer lies on the overlapping pairs on all of your designs which do exist.


>>>I have spend years of testing and re-designing lottotrix before it was released.

What have you done is copying/re-arranging/finding some Covering Designs of the form (n,6,2,2)=x
But yet you do not understand the basic concept of Probability.


>>>So, please respect my work and stop those false insinuations.

I do not make any false insinuations, you do, with your false posted Odds and covering properties.


>>>If you have designed all the systems you have posted on this forums, then you are a genious with a lot of spare time. (I don't believe that)

I do not care if you belive it or not.



>>>By the way : lottotrix is a 2if2 system (I prefer the term 6minus2-system) with a twist.
>>>And I won't tell anyone what that twist is. That's my secret. I won't even discuss it on the forums.
>>>I HATE copycats. Just use lottotrix and you'll see. And add some patience to your game !!!


There is not any trick you can apply to any covering design but only to destroy the cover.



>>>FAIR PLAY is the name of the game.

>>>Sincerely,

>>>Stefan

>>>P.S. No hard feelings !!!


I have no problem or hard feelings with the truth.
The problem is, that you can not see, the truth yet.

Dennis Bassboss
10-12-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Dennis Bassboss
I wont use it....But I respect your opinion... Please people ...I don't like hard feelings and I'm staying away from controversies as much as I can... Always have...So like my post said originally in a respectfull fashion I won't play it....But I respect your opinion...
If I would have spotted some changes in these odds ...I would most probably be the first to have gone for it don't you think so??It doesn't mean that you can't win using this..But it wouldn't prove anything either even if you'd win with it...
Lets put all of this behind us now...And lets all act in a civilized fashion... :confused:

Irvin
10-12-2003, 08:59 PM
Okay Dennis.

This is my last post on Lottotrix.

To everyone please read the covermaster report and decide for yourself all the information is there.

It is a 2if2 wheel with a twist....The only twist is you just forked out $12 for something that can be had for free.

To Luckyhorse - good luck with it...especially for the bigger prizes.

To Nick - I always know your right + Good software + good wheel designs.

Stefan - suggest you do a search on this website for stuff from Nick (The man is a genius in this field)

I'll go back to my small wheels with the higher (bigger prize target, 4if4 and 5if6) guarantees.

Regards,

Irvin

Dennis Bassboss
10-12-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by Irvin
Okay Dennis.

This is my last post on Lottotrix.

To everyone please read the covermaster report and decide for yourself all the information is there.

It is a 2if2 wheel with a twist....The only twist is you just forked out $12 for something that can be had for free.

To Luckyhorse - good luck with it...especially for the bigger prizes.

To Nick - I always know your right + Good software + good wheel designs.

Stefan - suggest you do a search on this website for stuff from Nick (The man is a genius in this field)

I'll go back to my small wheels with the higher guarantees.

Regards,

Irvin
Nick like any human beings including myself is not perfect but he is for sure the best wheel designer that I know! :agree: :agree2:

Matrix
10-12-2003, 09:27 PM
Thanks all of you. Be happy!!!

Brad
10-12-2003, 09:33 PM
Case dismissed ! :smash: ... let's go for a cold one :cool:

peter
10-12-2003, 11:47 PM
I'm not a math genuis, so I don't want to wade into all this stuff, All i do know is , Nick has been providing wheels and information here for free.... why.... because I believe Nick does'nt care who here wins something, but as long as some one benefits and wins, that to me is totally unselfish, so lets stop the biggering,and lets all work together.... I said it before , and I'll say it again, the lotto corp has lots of money to go around for all of us.
I think it is terrific for LT to let this free advertisement go on.

Brad
10-13-2003, 12:47 PM
Peter,

I would look at this as a discussion that got started because I was curious about luckyhorse's posts mainly since he plays the same lotto as I do. There are not that many ppl who post about BC49. On the surface what he writes looks on the up and up ... but here are some quotes I came across :

_"Are you that same guy from Canada that use to sell the lucky horse system at Maybell? If I remember right, you took a system from an old publication that was copyrighted and sold it as your own. It been about a year since you posted anything, I would have thought you would have changed your name ... <snip> ..."

_"You are the same guy. I did a search of luckyhorse and there all kinds of posts about you and your system about a year back. Old scam artists never die, they just fade out for a little while and come back with the same old lines to a new crowd. Any body want to know about this guy can do the same search. Man you should have at least changed your name."

I won't post the author's name here but some of our members may have seen these already ... I just found out.

So this is the same luckyhorse, as some of his recent posts on the other forum are almost duplicates of the ones here. I'm not accusing him of anything, really he's done nothing wrong on this forum ... but this may put things into another perspective, ie: should we believe his claims in light of all this? Is credibility an issue here? ... make your own conclusions, I have made mine.

As far as lottotrix goes it has unfortunately gotten more publicity than it deserves, largely thanks to luckyhorse, partly thanks to my digging but I think we put that one to bed, mainly thanks to Nick and Irvin.

This is Anything Goes ... Ok, I'm done, won't waste anymore time

Snowy
10-13-2003, 02:07 PM
This site is all about trying to find a winning strategy without spending huge amounts of money, admitedly the money doesnt really matter anymore and didnt from the begining because i could afford it anyway, but i still would love to be able to beat the system for a very modest cost because i dont like giving any of my money away without a fighting chance and it would be an amazing feeling to get another jackpot out of them for a few 's.
You are just trying to sell on your system, which is infact not even correct.
So either put up or shut up and bugger off with your sales talk!!

Tim - uk
:agree:

luckyhorse
10-13-2003, 05:43 PM
this is pretty much the bottom line on this lottotrix system it has worked for me thus far! i'am not saying it will continue to but for the $12 invested so far it has been money well spent! try it for yourself or dont bother itss completely your decision! i'am just reporting truthful results based on my experience with stefans algorithm!

Brad
10-13-2003, 05:51 PM
Congratulations Luckyhorse ... as of now you're the first member here on my ignore list :agree:

Have a nice day

peter
10-13-2003, 06:13 PM
like I said make sure to thank LT for all the free advertisement, but unless you post picks prior to the draw I'll assume nothing,so in order to gain credibility, and respect plse post. I agree with Brad, having been here a few years, I recognize the name Luckyhorse, from posts before.

luckyhorse
10-13-2003, 08:46 PM
why would i want to gain any credibility to begin with since lottotrix is not my system!!!! i could care less whether you use it or not!

peter
10-13-2003, 10:36 PM
Then why flog it, if it is not your system, and if praisesing it's merits, then post your picks, that's all we're saying.:wavey:

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